A response to a response. This is getting far to serious.

This marks the first time on sucksornot.info that I’ve written twice about a subject that wasn’t starship troopers, war of the worlds or Michael Ironside so I suppose that’s a good thing.

Secondly, if this response doesn’t settle the argument we’re continuing this off the internet cause its likely to get repetetive.

Lets see, my original article has been died red in your response so I’l mark your reponse blue in order to maintain some semblance of clarity.

So:

red text : my response to your statement

blue text: your response to my response

white text: my response to your response to my response.

Easy, right?

You’ve stated:
“Common folks very commonly assumed capitalismw as evil and with good reason.”

First of all, common folks did not very commonly assume that capitalism was evil.  There were some though, but not as many as you stated. Probably because there was no good reason to hate it.

Yes there was. Factory owners in the 19^th century were commonly occupied in exploiting the workers and making them live in shantytowns. This is tediously well documented in books from every single town. I bet there is one describing Veghel too but if there isn’t try reading ‘Helmond: desperate poverty’ (cheerful title isn't it?)  to read about your relatively close neighbor city. Poverty like described in that one aren’t the result of crippling income tax or an oppressive government but of really unpleasant industrialists making people work for virtually no pay. It was very much modern day slave labor and due to our need for cheap products it has now moved to China and other Asian countries.

The idea many people had with capitalism was bad but it got worse in the modern day with the internet. People know fully well that capitalism exploits the workers as much as it did in the old days and that's the reason why its so stupidly easy to find pictures denouncing capitalism. I couldn't pick one so I just made a screenshot of the first page:

You'l notice that most of these are cartoons and pictures highlighting capitalism's evil nature. Coincidence? Probably not.

You said:
“Its basically an exploratory system that makes the most of business ventures and resources. The profits usually go to a very select group of people and the workers who do the actual physical work get paid for their troubles. That's the idea. Its a good idea too, potentially for the workers as well because capitalism has the potential to generate a lot of profit if performed with skill. Early capitalists, from Mercantilism on turned making profit into a artform.”

I don’t even know where to start on this one… First, it’s not exploratory because the people that work there pick the jobs themselves, it can only be exploratory in a socialistic/communistic society where they force you to work a certain job.
Because the people are free they can work where they’re skills match the job, which is fucking great because that makes a higher revenue in product production, ergonomic management etc, which end up in more profit. It’s good to have a job even if you clean sewer systems. There is NOTHING bullshit about having a job that makes you work hard. If you don’t want to work hard, there is always someone else that would love to have you’re job.

As technology develops as consequence of commercial interests, corporations start to thrive more, they can start selling their products for less money, now more and more people start buying product ‘x’ and  the standard of living increases, for the people and the employees.  It’s a well-known statement that where there are more resources, wealth rises for people. With the extra wealth due development people can now buy more; healthcare for instance.

It’s good to make making profits into a form of art, the people on top EARN these profits because they can provide people with what they need! If you think a certain company is bad, then do not buy their products. If they maintain on top, it means they’re still the best. And nobody should FORCE them to stop.

Good lord. Are you saying that a system of labor can only be exploited by evil men if its socialistic or communistic? I'm fairly confident that even the factory owners from 1900 would snort at that from under their huge moustached while sipping their sherry.

As the people from Helmond will tell you, the people did not often get to choose what job they wanted to do. It was simply a matter of survival for them and their families. Saying that a man could just stop working if he didn't like the job is like saying he can stop eating or stop paying his rent. The people needed money and to get it they needed their jobs. If they complained about conditions they were fired and they'd have no work and no money. This happened. Unions got quashed, people got mass fired. Due to improved agricultural means less people were needed to work the fields so a great many people went to the cities. There were plenty of workers to choose from. Those who complained got fired and yes, some of those starved to death, It happened.

Its interesting that you brought up healthcare as the idea of a health program came from the government and is still closely monitored by the government. You might know that its getting increasingly expensive now and that's due to privatisation. No points for capitalism there.

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